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I honestly think that the only way to get rid of these drunks from driving is to treat it as murder 1. In other countries, the drinking while driving rate is so low because you get the death penalty automatically.
That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my life. The second you get behind the wheel of a car when you've been drinking, you're putting lives in danger. Do you have any idea how many people are killed each year in alcohol-related accidents? 16,000. That could be one of your close friends or family.
You're kidding, right? You're just saying these things to get us all fired up.. Please tell me you are not serious… It was a young and dumb, driver that killed my cousin, and that certainly altered her future. The kid never did a day in jail.. He's still got a drivers license, and he's married now, with kids of his own. My cousin was 14, and her death altered our families life forever. However, it was his first offense, so, you must be okay with it not being life altering for him.
There has to be consequences..
Your logic is backwards, ya hit them hard the first time with hard solid time. These high school kids aren’t stupid they know what they’re doing. They deserve to pay their debt to society at the first infraction. The second offence I don’t think that I’d take away their liscence permenantely. As for jails, I think that they could be good, but the prisoners should have to do hard physical labour to earn their meat. Deeper ditches is a win win situation for everyone. That’s my take on that.
i feel strongly for the victims but i also do not feel that we should lock up a high school/ college kid for being dumb…young and dumb is a part of life i think the first offense should be strict but nothing life altering enough to effect their future, 2nd offense more severe such as NEVER driving again and work the hell out of them yet don’t make their future so dim, third offense kill them, if you cant work their debt to society out the first 2 times i say will kill them as you can tell im not for prisons i believe we should work it out of the criminals or kill them …to harsh? maybe for some……but i hate the thought of my tax money feeding them…just doesn’t sit well with me!
Drunk driving deaths far exceed the number of deaths inflicted by those who use guns. If you do not believe me, then look it up on google.
Yet we do not hear the hue and cry to ban automobiles like we hear the hue and cry to ban guns . . . Ever wonder why?
However, we hear folks advocating rewarding stupidly drunk teenagers and college students . . . Ever wonder why?
During my time in the Military Police, I worked with many foreign law enfrcement agencies and learned a lot about their driving laws. One country in particular, Japan, had some of the strictest driving laws I have ever seen. When I was there way back in the early 1970's there were absolutely no teenage drivers – and they had almost NO traffic violations.
Here is the way it worked back then (I don't know about now); To buy a car you had to have a drivers license which you could not get unless you passed a one year long driving school which you could not enter without getting permission from the local traffic police who would not give you that permission unless you were recomended by the car dealer who first had proof from (a)your bank, and (b)your employer that you could not only afford to purchase said car but that you were never in danger of losing your job. After passing the driving school, then you were put on driving probation for one year – if during that first year you caused an accident or were convicted of driving drunk, your license was revoked and your car was confiscated and you were never allowed to have neither a car or driving license for the rest of your life. If you made it past that first year, you were considered a proffessional driver and any collision you were involved in was automatically your fault and you were held financially liable for any and all damages caused by that collision.
After more than thirty years in law enforcement, THOSE are the kind of driving laws I would love to see here in the United States!
Just my not-so-humble opinion. B)
To DebateItOut . . .
Just how do you justify a sensible debate when you constrict certain posters to length limits when justifying their position?
Have you any idea how rediculous that is?
Not to mention what it does to my blood pressure! :@
Which countries do that?
Papadawg,
The length limits would be the browser that you are currently using. It has nothing to do with the site all together. However, if you are talking about your comments being moderated, then that's a different story. I recently just approved two of your comments. All comments submitted by you aren't deleted, but held for moderation until an administrator approves it.
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umm no im serious, and i to have lost loved ones from a drunk driver, ive also seen a good friend leave the bar and end up killing his best friend , young and dumb this is a stage in life, shit happens for lack of better terms, it does alter the vivtims life for sure, does putting him in jail solve anything? no! it waste money should we hinder his chances of living out a normal life ? no!
Yes, putting him in jail solves something. It’s called accountability, where the person knows that their are comsequences to certain actions. Once again I stand behind my opinon that hard physical labour will humble you. I live on a farm, and the time I do my most thinking and reflecting is when I’m hard at work. It takes your mind off the beating sun, and your sweaty brow. Also through this they would be paying for their room and board, and we can keep your precious tax money. Besides most of these DUI’s come from kids that have barely worked hard in their life anyways.
Oh and by the way, shit doesn’t just “happen, (do you know how ridicoulous that sounds), people make shit happen. Do you not realize that, no people don’t get a free pass just becuase they’re in their “rebelous” stage.
Sometimes it's hard trying to take you seriously Pusty since you don't spellcheck your posts.
My bad Jared, sometimes I just type like mad and I’m sure a few typo’s slip in their. I’m sure you can read it fine though Jared, if you want to contribute to a debate please, say something of intellegence rather than a comment that I’d expect out of my english teacher.
I'm just saying. It goes with cursing as well. You don't see any professional debaters cursing or making typos in their statements do you?
OK, but obviously I’m not a professional debater. To be honest I don’t think I would even want to be one. Now are you going to comment on the REAL debate or not.
Not going to respond to your comments then.
Thank you so very much Jared. Now someone with an opinon can write something.
Here is my proposal for hurting any person or property while DUI:
1) An increased income tax for all criminals for four years.
2) Fines are doubled and time in jail is doubled.
Well, not much debate going on here seeing as how you're all so eager to put away OTHERS who make a mistake. Americans are nothing if not vindictive. You might consider the difficulty one faces in trying to put their life back together after being arrested for a DUI. As these obstacles become more insurmountable, we can hardly be surprised at the downward spiral of their lives, which in turn affects others.
Clearly jealous of America.
Clearly you've never studied sex offender laws. It's the same system that ruins lives for no good reason. Serious sex offenses like paedophilia or serial rape, as with alcohol induced accidents with fatalities, do need to be dealt with and should carry legal and moral penalties. But not by equating lesser offenders with serious offenses.
"All punishment is mischief; all punishment in itself is evil"
My own solution would be something like this
1) Lower the drinking age to 18 and raise the alcohol excise tax.
2) Focus the most attention on repeat offenders, seize property (the car usually), do random alcohol checks on them to assure they are not drinking and are actually in some sort of treatment to moderate or eliminate their risk factor contribution. Don't waste energy on random checkpoints to search everybody else with the wide net as we presently do. This is a waste of resources.
Primary focus should be to penalize people in addition to other violations (traffic violations or accidents) for the irresponsibility of deciding to drive while drunk, but not to search out for these people as though it poses a serious risk to society (over and above "driving" generally before getting into "drunk driving") and skip over cultural and social mores that can be imposed instead.