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		<title>By: socalie702</title>
		<link>http://www.debateitout.com/are-human-chip-implants-a-good-idea.html/comment-page-1#comment-12419</link>
		<dc:creator>socalie702</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2011 07:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe all people should have certain right&#039;s and freedom&#039;s given to us by creation whatever that may be and the Constitution conferees part of these , but people who would willingly deprive other&#039;s of these freedom&#039;s in a hateful manner regardless of what illegality or misdeed they have committed are no different than the individuals who have stripped other&#039;s of there birthright&#039;s through crime or any other anti-social behavior in my opinion . It is true there should be some type of action taken to try and prevent crime, but there still needs to be a certain kind of principle the Authority must follow to not violate a human being&#039;s right&#039;s. I believe human implantable chip&#039;s are inhumane in all but a few application&#039;s where the owner openly gives consent and this should not become standardized. There is a specific cause and effect involved with everything in this world and this to an extent effect&#039;s the outcomes of everyone&#039;s lives, no one person is better than another we are all created equal, just different experience&#039;s and genetics&#039;s . When you protect the right&#039;s of the accused , you protect your own right&#039;s at the same time. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe all people should have certain right&#039;s and freedom&#039;s given to us by creation whatever that may be and the Constitution conferees part of these , but people who would willingly deprive other&#039;s of these freedom&#039;s in a hateful manner regardless of what illegality or misdeed they have committed are no different than the individuals who have stripped other&#039;s of there birthright&#039;s through crime or any other anti-social behavior in my opinion . It is true there should be some type of action taken to try and prevent crime, but there still needs to be a certain kind of principle the Authority must follow to not violate a human being&#039;s right&#039;s. I believe human implantable chip&#039;s are inhumane in all but a few application&#039;s where the owner openly gives consent and this should not become standardized. There is a specific cause and effect involved with everything in this world and this to an extent effect&#039;s the outcomes of everyone&#039;s lives, no one person is better than another we are all created equal, just different experience&#039;s and genetics&#039;s . When you protect the right&#039;s of the accused , you protect your own right&#039;s at the same time.</p>
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		<title>By: SunTzuSays</title>
		<link>http://www.debateitout.com/are-human-chip-implants-a-good-idea.html/comment-page-1#comment-11390</link>
		<dc:creator>SunTzuSays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2011 21:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the same stupid argument people use on child predators versus &quot;sexual offenders&quot;. If someone is legitimately that dangerous, don&#039;t let them back out of prison in the first place once they are caught and convicted. It&#039;s not necessary to monitor their every move and control where they may live and deny them basic rights and so on because they&#039;re already in a hole somewhere that we put them in.  
  
If they&#039;re not that dangerous, then it should not be necessary to keep tabs on their every move, or at least not necessary in a permanent fashion.  Most criminal offenses are trivial, minor, and committed by people who mature and age. What you&#039;re left with is a very small number of criminals who commit a lot of crime and do some of the really nasty bits who would need to be detained and monitored.     
    
But that&#039;s what prisons are for. That system is sufficient without infringing on the regular civilian population. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the same stupid argument people use on child predators versus &quot;sexual offenders&quot;. If someone is legitimately that dangerous, don&#039;t let them back out of prison in the first place once they are caught and convicted. It&#039;s not necessary to monitor their every move and control where they may live and deny them basic rights and so on because they&#039;re already in a hole somewhere that we put them in.  </p>
<p>If they&#039;re not that dangerous, then it should not be necessary to keep tabs on their every move, or at least not necessary in a permanent fashion.  Most criminal offenses are trivial, minor, and committed by people who mature and age. What you&#039;re left with is a very small number of criminals who commit a lot of crime and do some of the really nasty bits who would need to be detained and monitored.     </p>
<p>But that&#039;s what prisons are for. That system is sufficient without infringing on the regular civilian population.</p>
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		<title>By: jcdenton100</title>
		<link>http://www.debateitout.com/are-human-chip-implants-a-good-idea.html/comment-page-1#comment-11383</link>
		<dc:creator>jcdenton100</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2011 17:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Americans dont want a cerial killer running loose so why not use the chips on them? They already commited a crime so why let them go free? I would want them to be checked on every now and then just to make shure they arent doing anything wrong. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Americans dont want a cerial killer running loose so why not use the chips on them? They already commited a crime so why let them go free? I would want them to be checked on every now and then just to make shure they arent doing anything wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: SunTzuSays</title>
		<link>http://www.debateitout.com/are-human-chip-implants-a-good-idea.html/comment-page-1#comment-11373</link>
		<dc:creator>SunTzuSays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2011 17:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough, but we also don&#039;t have explicit protections that authoritarians may ignore at their peril.     
    
We often hold no one responsible for violations of privacy and even explicit Constitutional rights of disfavored peoples (minorities, religious or ethnic, or criminals engaging in private consensual actions such as the distribution of narcotics and other vice crimes). By tacitly accepting these violations, we risk our own. Your initial statement implies that these devices should be implanted in anyone, and then if they turn out to be a serial killer for example, then and only then should they be used by the government to track them down and arrest them. My problem with this is that while it might be okay to use such a device (as we do with house arrest tracking bracelets) on released convicts or other probationary states of people who have been convicted of a criminal act, this is very different from using such a device to intrude on people suspected of a crime or who are simply considered undesirable by the broader society (criminal profiling wouldn&#039;t be that hard to do herein).     
    
A second problem is that once the state and its various agents and agencies has the arbitrary ability to monitor people they will use it regardless of what ends you or I happen to approve of its ability to do so. It is possible to use such legal protections as warrants to safeguard privacy, but providing the state with the technical ability to do something will imply that it will want as few obstacles to exercising that power as possible. This is an acceptable risk to individual freedom. If the cost is a few people die or are accosted by criminal actors, so be it.     
    
We are better off not having the state decide what criminal actions it can investigate us at random for, and it already possesses broad legal codes and interpretations therein to do so without having the ability to peer into our daily lives at a whim. I&#039;d rather not give them the whim too. We already lack explicit legal interpretations and expectations of privacy for many of our internet communications and other modern technological actions, and the government at present is more than willing to exploit this lack of clarity (while demanding it for itself, as in the case of Wikileaks or police and other officials being recorded by private citizens).  
 
You may wish to hold such reprehensible action accountable for this disparity, but it is not the legal regime we have at present. The legal regime we have now acts from a presumption that legal rights which are not enumerated are not protected and this puts privacy at jeopardy except in explicitly protected ways (search warrants and free speech).  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough, but we also don&#039;t have explicit protections that authoritarians may ignore at their peril.     </p>
<p>We often hold no one responsible for violations of privacy and even explicit Constitutional rights of disfavored peoples (minorities, religious or ethnic, or criminals engaging in private consensual actions such as the distribution of narcotics and other vice crimes). By tacitly accepting these violations, we risk our own. Your initial statement implies that these devices should be implanted in anyone, and then if they turn out to be a serial killer for example, then and only then should they be used by the government to track them down and arrest them. My problem with this is that while it might be okay to use such a device (as we do with house arrest tracking bracelets) on released convicts or other probationary states of people who have been convicted of a criminal act, this is very different from using such a device to intrude on people suspected of a crime or who are simply considered undesirable by the broader society (criminal profiling wouldn&#039;t be that hard to do herein).     </p>
<p>A second problem is that once the state and its various agents and agencies has the arbitrary ability to monitor people they will use it regardless of what ends you or I happen to approve of its ability to do so. It is possible to use such legal protections as warrants to safeguard privacy, but providing the state with the technical ability to do something will imply that it will want as few obstacles to exercising that power as possible. This is an acceptable risk to individual freedom. If the cost is a few people die or are accosted by criminal actors, so be it.     </p>
<p>We are better off not having the state decide what criminal actions it can investigate us at random for, and it already possesses broad legal codes and interpretations therein to do so without having the ability to peer into our daily lives at a whim. I&#039;d rather not give them the whim too. We already lack explicit legal interpretations and expectations of privacy for many of our internet communications and other modern technological actions, and the government at present is more than willing to exploit this lack of clarity (while demanding it for itself, as in the case of Wikileaks or police and other officials being recorded by private citizens).  </p>
<p>You may wish to hold such reprehensible action accountable for this disparity, but it is not the legal regime we have at present. The legal regime we have now acts from a presumption that legal rights which are not enumerated are not protected and this puts privacy at jeopardy except in explicitly protected ways (search warrants and free speech).</p>
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		<title>By: jcdenton100</title>
		<link>http://www.debateitout.com/are-human-chip-implants-a-good-idea.html/comment-page-1#comment-11369</link>
		<dc:creator>jcdenton100</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2011 16:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The right to privacy is not a part of the Constitution, at least not in so many words. The right to privacy would best be seen in the 9th Amendment, which basically says that just because a right is not in the Constitution, does not necessarily mean that it does not exist. The justices of the Supreme Court, in several cases over the past half century, have found that a right to privacy does exist in the Constitution, to a degree. The cases that started the process of the &quot;finding&quot; of this new right began with cases like Loving v Virginia, where it was ruled that the state cannot prevent mixed-race marriages; and like Griswold v Connecticut, where it was ruled that a state cannot prevent a married couple from buying and using condoms. The first mention of a right to privacy was in a dissenting opinion in Olmstead v US in 1928, in which Justice Brandeis argued that the Framers had created a framework for the greatest right of all: &quot;the right to be left alone.&quot; 
 
 So Americans DO have the right to privacy. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The right to privacy is not a part of the Constitution, at least not in so many words. The right to privacy would best be seen in the 9th Amendment, which basically says that just because a right is not in the Constitution, does not necessarily mean that it does not exist. The justices of the Supreme Court, in several cases over the past half century, have found that a right to privacy does exist in the Constitution, to a degree. The cases that started the process of the &quot;finding&quot; of this new right began with cases like Loving v Virginia, where it was ruled that the state cannot prevent mixed-race marriages; and like Griswold v Connecticut, where it was ruled that a state cannot prevent a married couple from buying and using condoms. The first mention of a right to privacy was in a dissenting opinion in Olmstead v US in 1928, in which Justice Brandeis argued that the Framers had created a framework for the greatest right of all: &quot;the right to be left alone.&quot; </p>
<p> So Americans DO have the right to privacy.</p>
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		<title>By: SunTzuSays</title>
		<link>http://www.debateitout.com/are-human-chip-implants-a-good-idea.html/comment-page-1#comment-11306</link>
		<dc:creator>SunTzuSays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2011 18:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Consider how many times the PATRIOT act was (and still is) used for purposes other than counter-terrorism (at least several thousand... that we know of). And now consider how many times the government, or its agencies and agents, have been held accountable for violating its own laws, or violating the rights of citizens (that would be... near to zero). Even at a local level, it is not implausible for the police to routinely violate the rights of citizens while conducting drug raids, or simply when randomly stopping people in impoverished neighbourhoods. This is not to say that all or even many cops are corrupt, but certainly plenty of them see these as legitimate activities to blatantly infringe on civilians and their daily lives without proper justification and cause.     
    
So I ask you again....  what&#039;s to stop them from doing so? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consider how many times the PATRIOT act was (and still is) used for purposes other than counter-terrorism (at least several thousand&#8230; that we know of). And now consider how many times the government, or its agencies and agents, have been held accountable for violating its own laws, or violating the rights of citizens (that would be&#8230; near to zero). Even at a local level, it is not implausible for the police to routinely violate the rights of citizens while conducting drug raids, or simply when randomly stopping people in impoverished neighbourhoods. This is not to say that all or even many cops are corrupt, but certainly plenty of them see these as legitimate activities to blatantly infringe on civilians and their daily lives without proper justification and cause.     </p>
<p>So I ask you again&#8230;.  what&#039;s to stop them from doing so?</p>
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		<title>By: jcdenton100</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcdenton100</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2011 03:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Americans have the right to privacy so the government would be breaking their own law by checking up on us every now and then. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Americans have the right to privacy so the government would be breaking their own law by checking up on us every now and then.</p>
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		<title>By: SunTzuSays</title>
		<link>http://www.debateitout.com/are-human-chip-implants-a-good-idea.html/comment-page-1#comment-11247</link>
		<dc:creator>SunTzuSays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2011 21:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But they shouldnt use it to see what people are doing 24-7! &quot; 
 
Why wouldn&#039;t/couldn&#039;t/shouldn&#039;t they? Just because government and its agents are not supposed to use a particular power that we have foolishly granted them does not mean that they will not on the count that we do not wish them to do so only when it inconveniences us (and not when it conveniences our ridiculous demands for public order or safety).  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;But they shouldnt use it to see what people are doing 24-7! &quot; </p>
<p>Why wouldn&#039;t/couldn&#039;t/shouldn&#039;t they? Just because government and its agents are not supposed to use a particular power that we have foolishly granted them does not mean that they will not on the count that we do not wish them to do so only when it inconveniences us (and not when it conveniences our ridiculous demands for public order or safety).</p>
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		<title>By: jcdenton100</title>
		<link>http://www.debateitout.com/are-human-chip-implants-a-good-idea.html/comment-page-1#comment-11244</link>
		<dc:creator>jcdenton100</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2011 17:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think they would be a great idea. If someone turns into a serial killer then police would be able to track them. These chips could hold our lifes story, tell us who we are if we had amnesia (if by chance they didnt have any I.D on them), or if someone is murdered then investigators could tell who they were by checking the chip. But they shouldnt use it to see what people are doing 24-7! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they would be a great idea. If someone turns into a serial killer then police would be able to track them. These chips could hold our lifes story, tell us who we are if we had amnesia (if by chance they didnt have any I.D on them), or if someone is murdered then investigators could tell who they were by checking the chip. But they shouldnt use it to see what people are doing 24-7!</p>
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		<title>By: sdiblasio123</title>
		<link>http://www.debateitout.com/are-human-chip-implants-a-good-idea.html/comment-page-1#comment-10995</link>
		<dc:creator>sdiblasio123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2011 22:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as I am concerned, artificial devices have no place in the human body.  They cause cancer and damage surrounding tissue and nerve endings.  It would not be a consideration if these researchers were held accountable for the damage they do to humans and animals.  It is time to put legislation in place to protect those who cannot protect themselves.  The funding that goes into these projects could be used for more humanitarian purposes. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I am concerned, artificial devices have no place in the human body.  They cause cancer and damage surrounding tissue and nerve endings.  It would not be a consideration if these researchers were held accountable for the damage they do to humans and animals.  It is time to put legislation in place to protect those who cannot protect themselves.  The funding that goes into these projects could be used for more humanitarian purposes.</p>
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