Comments on: How would marijuana affect the U.S. economy if legalized? http://www.debateitout.com/how-would-marijuana-affect-the-u-s-economy-if-legalized.html Debate online with people! Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:12:41 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: scair3crow http://www.debateitout.com/how-would-marijuana-affect-the-u-s-economy-if-legalized.html/comment-page-1#comment-10436 scair3crow Fri, 12 Nov 2010 01:46:46 +0000 http://www.debateitout.com/?p=594#comment-10436 2/2 Everyone tells people that marijuana kills brain cells and is horrible for you and then when people try it nothing bad happens so they think all drugs are like that and they try another drug and instantly get addicted. It would be so much greater if legalized it due to the fact that it would reduce organized crime by a ton and stop government spending by a ton. If you don't believe look this stuff up for yourself, because I'm telling the truth. We need it to be legal so we can get ourselves out of this horrible national debt, we are destroying our rainforests, and we are making people get addicted to hard drugs, because we mislead them on the easiest drug. Marijuana can help and prevent AIDS, Cancer, and over 2,000 diseases and sicknesses. It's the most useful plant in the world and it's illegal due to false studies done in the 70's and oil, alcohol, tobacco, plastic, and other companies knowing it would destroy there business buying out the government in the 30's to put a tax on it. I also forgot to mention how it can be made into every single type of plastic and is biodegradable. I hope this helped and if it didn't then idk what can. 2/2 Everyone tells people that marijuana kills brain cells and is horrible for you and then when people try it nothing bad happens so they think all drugs are like that and they try another drug and instantly get addicted. It would be so much greater if legalized it due to the fact that it would reduce organized crime by a ton and stop government spending by a ton. If you don't believe look this stuff up for yourself, because I'm telling the truth. We need it to be legal so we can get ourselves out of this horrible national debt, we are destroying our rainforests, and we are making people get addicted to hard drugs, because we mislead them on the easiest drug. Marijuana can help and prevent AIDS, Cancer, and over 2,000 diseases and sicknesses. It's the most useful plant in the world and it's illegal due to false studies done in the 70's and oil, alcohol, tobacco, plastic, and other companies knowing it would destroy there business buying out the government in the 30's to put a tax on it. I also forgot to mention how it can be made into every single type of plastic and is biodegradable. I hope this helped and if it didn't then idk what can.

]]> By: scair3crow http://www.debateitout.com/how-would-marijuana-affect-the-u-s-economy-if-legalized.html/comment-page-1#comment-10435 scair3crow Fri, 12 Nov 2010 01:46:18 +0000 http://www.debateitout.com/?p=594#comment-10435 1/2 If marijuana was legal it would be the best thing that has happen to this country since ending WWII. If you disagree here my argument. Marijuana and hemp come from the same plant which is cannabis. With the oil from hemp seeds we could create gasoline which would not make us dependent on other countries oil, because we can make our own. The best part about it is that its the same oil that's in our cars today and no engine modifications would be needed. Another is that hemp can be used to make paper, cothes, soap, makeup, and hempcrete. hempcrete is hemp, lime, and water mixed together creating a plywood like material that is stronger than steel. This could be used instead of cutting down trees and we would save the rainforest. One of the reasons people grow it is, because it's a very profitable business, because it's such a good revenue. it's a great product that is dirt cheap to make. the government needs to legalize it and tax it like crazy and it would still be lower than what it is now. Lastly about the stepping stone theory. The reason it is a stepping stone drug is because it's illegal. 1/2 If marijuana was legal it would be the best thing that has happen to this country since ending WWII. If you disagree here my argument. Marijuana and hemp come from the same plant which is cannabis. With the oil from hemp seeds we could create gasoline which would not make us dependent on other countries oil, because we can make our own. The best part about it is that its the same oil that's in our cars today and no engine modifications would be needed. Another is that hemp can be used to make paper, cothes, soap, makeup, and hempcrete. hempcrete is hemp, lime, and water mixed together creating a plywood like material that is stronger than steel. This could be used instead of cutting down trees and we would save the rainforest. One of the reasons people grow it is, because it's a very profitable business, because it's such a good revenue. it's a great product that is dirt cheap to make. the government needs to legalize it and tax it like crazy and it would still be lower than what it is now. Lastly about the stepping stone theory. The reason it is a stepping stone drug is because it's illegal.

]]> By: Break_Your_Heart http://www.debateitout.com/how-would-marijuana-affect-the-u-s-economy-if-legalized.html/comment-page-1#comment-7735 Break_Your_Heart Mon, 12 Apr 2010 19:36:23 +0000 http://www.debateitout.com/?p=594#comment-7735 thank you Sun Tzu. you have actually had the best answer that i have seen out of all the sites i have been through today. thank you for taking this seriously and actually giving a educational answer to those that want to know more about what will happen to there economy if marijuana legalization goes threw and actually gets legalized. thanks for the help. I.O.U (: thank you Sun Tzu. you have actually had the best answer that i have seen out of all the sites i have been through today. thank you for taking this seriously and actually giving a educational answer to those that want to know more about what will happen to there economy if marijuana legalization goes threw and actually gets legalized.
thanks for the help. I.O.U (:

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.debateitout.com/how-would-marijuana-affect-the-u-s-economy-if-legalized.html/comment-page-1#comment-5207 Anonymous Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:24:34 +0000 http://www.debateitout.com/?p=594#comment-5207 That is a stupid argument. It's like saying if its legal to euthanize terminal coma patients it should be legal to murder a healthy person. Its one thing to take marijuana to treat a disease and another to use it in excess amounts for pleasure. The room in jail argument is also ridiculous. No country has a problem with too little room in jail. There are hundreds of empty prisions in the US and renting a new one costs like $400 a month. Arresting fewer drug addicts isn't going to increase the number of killers arrested. The police is equally incompetent one way or another. Maybe if you smoked less weed you's think more clearly. That is a stupid argument. It's like saying if its legal to euthanize terminal coma patients it should be legal to murder a healthy person. Its one thing to take marijuana to treat a disease and another to use it in excess amounts for pleasure. The room in jail argument is also ridiculous. No country has a problem with too little room in jail. There are hundreds of empty prisions in the US and renting a new one costs like $400 a month. Arresting fewer drug addicts isn't going to increase the number of killers arrested. The police is equally incompetent one way or another. Maybe if you smoked less weed you's think more clearly.

]]> By: Kris http://www.debateitout.com/how-would-marijuana-affect-the-u-s-economy-if-legalized.html/comment-page-1#comment-4209 Kris Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:43:17 +0000 http://www.debateitout.com/?p=594#comment-4209 Personally I believe that if they are going to be giving out medical marijuana to people who "need" it then they might as well just give it to people that don't particuarlly need it. If it's legal for some then just make it legal for all. And with it being legalized there would be less people in jail for being arrested because of marijuana and there would be more room in the jails for killers. I think that arresting people for marijuana use is just a waste of jail space. I really hope that our government realizes that we would all be better off if they legalize marijuana for more room in jails. Yes I have been arrested for marijuana but that doesn't change my mind about anything or make my decision go either way. Then again yes my opinion is bias. Personally I believe that if they are going to be giving out medical marijuana to people who "need" it then they might as well just give it to people that don't particuarlly need it. If it's legal for some then just make it legal for all. And with it being legalized there would be less people in jail for being arrested because of marijuana and there would be more room in the jails for killers. I think that arresting people for marijuana use is just a waste of jail space. I really hope that our government realizes that we would all be better off if they legalize marijuana for more room in jails. Yes I have been arrested for marijuana but that doesn't change my mind about anything or make my decision go either way. Then again yes my opinion is bias.

]]> By: LordTiberivs http://www.debateitout.com/how-would-marijuana-affect-the-u-s-economy-if-legalized.html/comment-page-1#comment-3811 LordTiberivs Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:56:14 +0000 http://www.debateitout.com/?p=594#comment-3811 There's a funny bit by Dennis Leary which is strangely true. The old ad campaigns say marijuana leads to other drugs.... marijuana leads to carpentry... the only thing that it forces you to do is find inventive ways to smoke it! But on a serious side. I do agree that the money spent on cracking down on pot 30billion plus a year you say? Thats alot of saved money. and if it is legalized then (yup Tiberivs is gonna say it again) it's taxable!!!! yay more tax money collected to ease the burden on everyone! I say go for it! I don't smoke marijuana but if it were legalized, I would try it now and then. Like all things moderation will not lead to addiction. And I'd pay my taxes on it too!!!!! There's a funny bit by Dennis Leary which is strangely true. The old ad campaigns say marijuana leads to other drugs…. marijuana leads to carpentry… the only thing that it forces you to do is find inventive ways to smoke it!

But on a serious side. I do agree that the money spent on cracking down on pot 30billion plus a year you say? Thats alot of saved money. and if it is legalized then (yup Tiberivs is gonna say it again) it's taxable!!!! yay more tax money collected to ease the burden on everyone!

I say go for it! I don't smoke marijuana but if it were legalized, I would try it now and then. Like all things moderation will not lead to addiction. And I'd pay my taxes on it too!!!!!

]]> By: Sun Tzu http://www.debateitout.com/how-would-marijuana-affect-the-u-s-economy-if-legalized.html/comment-page-1#comment-2629 Sun Tzu Sun, 04 Oct 2009 18:45:36 +0000 http://www.debateitout.com/?p=594#comment-2629 Look up the common liability model. There's a number of statistical studies on the use of cocaine for example that thoroughly debunk the "gateway" hypothesis for marijuana, things like most heavy users of cocaine STARTED with cocaine. Or that a large percentage of initial marijuana use happened AFTER heavier drugs. The "gateway" hypothesis more or less describes a common pattern, but it doesn't demonstrate a causality chain or provide some empirical model for explaining the access and choices of illicit drug consumers. So it's pretty much useless to cite as a defence against legal or decriminalized marijuana because there isn't any evidence to demonstrate that many or indeed most people who are exposed to it would "move on down the line" as it were. Most don't. In fact there's lots of contrary evidence that breaking the environmental links between access to marijuana and access to heroin or cocaine by providing legal market access to marijuana reduce the relative use of cocaine or heroin. These are scientific and economic studies. They're not "impossible". Look up the common liability model. There's a number of statistical studies on the use of cocaine for example that thoroughly debunk the "gateway" hypothesis for marijuana, things like most heavy users of cocaine STARTED with cocaine. Or that a large percentage of initial marijuana use happened AFTER heavier drugs. The "gateway" hypothesis more or less describes a common pattern, but it doesn't demonstrate a causality chain or provide some empirical model for explaining the access and choices of illicit drug consumers. So it's pretty much useless to cite as a defence against legal or decriminalized marijuana because there isn't any evidence to demonstrate that many or indeed most people who are exposed to it would "move on down the line" as it were. Most don't. In fact there's lots of contrary evidence that breaking the environmental links between access to marijuana and access to heroin or cocaine by providing legal market access to marijuana reduce the relative use of cocaine or heroin.

These are scientific and economic studies. They're not "impossible".

]]> By: Sun Tzu http://www.debateitout.com/how-would-marijuana-affect-the-u-s-economy-if-legalized.html/comment-page-1#comment-2623 Sun Tzu Sun, 04 Oct 2009 18:31:07 +0000 http://www.debateitout.com/?p=594#comment-2623 Actually there are experiments on that. All you have to do is look at the global data for experimental and regular drug use relative to the rates of use for marijuana. They are absurdly low, even with your anecdotal evidence to the contrary. Most law enforcement agencies go after any illegal drug. What they will do is lax on enforcement of drug possession but not drug distribution. With many jurisdictions, they aren't even allowed to arrest over possession below personal quantities anyway, the fine is barely worth the paperwork. And the biggest drug trafficking operations in the country are actually for marijuana (it's roughly 50% of the entire Mexican drug cartel's income, much less its volume). The primary reason that they will target heroin or cocaine networks instead is that they will tend to be more open and violent marketplaces than the marijuana distribution systems, and hence easier to target. It's really hard to catch someone selling marijuana. It's not that hard to catch someone standing in an abandoned tenement building or on a street corner slinging dope. Actually there are experiments on that. All you have to do is look at the global data for experimental and regular drug use relative to the rates of use for marijuana. They are absurdly low, even with your anecdotal evidence to the contrary.

Most law enforcement agencies go after any illegal drug. What they will do is lax on enforcement of drug possession but not drug distribution. With many jurisdictions, they aren't even allowed to arrest over possession below personal quantities anyway, the fine is barely worth the paperwork. And the biggest drug trafficking operations in the country are actually for marijuana (it's roughly 50% of the entire Mexican drug cartel's income, much less its volume). The primary reason that they will target heroin or cocaine networks instead is that they will tend to be more open and violent marketplaces than the marijuana distribution systems, and hence easier to target. It's really hard to catch someone selling marijuana. It's not that hard to catch someone standing in an abandoned tenement building or on a street corner slinging dope.

]]> By: Jared http://www.debateitout.com/how-would-marijuana-affect-the-u-s-economy-if-legalized.html/comment-page-1#comment-2617 Jared Sun, 04 Oct 2009 17:55:38 +0000 http://www.debateitout.com/?p=594#comment-2617 Yea. There's no way you can use science to prove this theory because no one is going to admit that they have been doing drugs. In my previous experience, and I'm positive in my friends' experience, we've seen people who start off consuming marijuana, there is a more than 50% chance that they start experimenting with other drugs. There is no way you are going to be able to conduct an experiment on that. Most law enforcement agencies, which I'm sure papadawg would agree on, go after the big drugs, like cocaine and crack. Even if marijuana were to be legalized, it would benefit these criminal organizations who are selling these more powerful drugs. The biggest drug-trafficking organizations mostly import drugs like cocaine, because it's higher up the ladder. Yea. There's no way you can use science to prove this theory because no one is going to admit that they have been doing drugs. In my previous experience, and I'm positive in my friends' experience, we've seen people who start off consuming marijuana, there is a more than 50% chance that they start experimenting with other drugs. There is no way you are going to be able to conduct an experiment on that.

Most law enforcement agencies, which I'm sure papadawg would agree on, go after the big drugs, like cocaine and crack. Even if marijuana were to be legalized, it would benefit these criminal organizations who are selling these more powerful drugs. The biggest drug-trafficking organizations mostly import drugs like cocaine, because it's higher up the ladder.

]]> By: Sun Tzu http://www.debateitout.com/how-would-marijuana-affect-the-u-s-economy-if-legalized.html/comment-page-1#comment-2615 Sun Tzu Sun, 04 Oct 2009 17:50:41 +0000 http://www.debateitout.com/?p=594#comment-2615 It is not a gateway drug and won't lead to "bad" drug habits. You have been misinformed. The economics of it are such that no, it wouldn't end a recession on its own, but yes it would also save billions of dollars of government spending on enforcement and interdiction strategies that do not work to reduce the drug consumption problem, such as it is. That's worth something even if it's clearly an exaggeration to present this as a salve for our general economic woes. It is not a gateway drug and won't lead to "bad" drug habits. You have been misinformed.

The economics of it are such that no, it wouldn't end a recession on its own, but yes it would also save billions of dollars of government spending on enforcement and interdiction strategies that do not work to reduce the drug consumption problem, such as it is. That's worth something even if it's clearly an exaggeration to present this as a salve for our general economic woes.

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