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Yeah there is nothing wrong with it, all it does is merely point people in the right direction.
Propaganda is used to force people into the direction you want them to go in.
What happens when that turns out to be the wrong direction?
If you're right, then the facts should back your position, so you shouldn't need to lie. If you need to use propaganda to promote your beliefs or opinions then it could be because you're wrong. If you're convinced that the ends justify the means, so you need to use propaganda to help people make decisions that are better even if they can't see that they're the better decisions, then I have a few choice words for you that I'm probably not aloud to use here.
I guess we can use national healthcare as an example. Everyone is scared about changing the healthcare system because of the propaganda the insurance companies are trying to spread in order to get the people highly against it. Wouldn't you agree?
Insurance companies haven't been the ones spreading the distortions. In fact they're mostly in favor of the present changes because they more or less entrench their power and market share rather than opening them up to competitive changes and the instability of market shares that creates.
Nah, no way. Hilary Clinton wanted to reform the healthcare system when Bill was in office, but the insurance companies were buying out the politicians. They don't want anything to change. That's ridiculous.
If the government tells them they can't drop anyone and will install non-profit systems, then they are definitely losing business and they don't want anything to change now.
They won't lose business. You haven't read the bills apparently. This is not 1993.
I admit that I have not read all 1,100+ pages of the Obamacare bill, however as you can plainly see I am totally against the stupid thing.
Here's why;
Our public school system is the worst boondogle in the world – it is government run.
Medicare is a sham – it is government run.
The United States Postal service is nothing but a nightmare – it is government run.
Social Security . . . sigh . . . most likely won't be there when you young folks reach retirement age – it is government run.
All of the above programs were government conceived and funded "for our own good" , and they all have failed miserably and are nothing but a bottomless money pit. Our government continues to throw good money (the taxes that we pay) after very badly managed projects.
With that kind of a track record going for them I just do not want my medical care to be put into the hands of our stumbling, bumbling, corrupt-to-the-hilt government.
Would you?
Just my not-so-humble opinion.
The propaganda machine of the Obama administration is in full swing like a railroad train with a full head of steam and the engineer is ignoring the danger signals that are telling him the bridge is out – meanwhile all the passengers (congress) are cheering him on to pour more coal on the fire and open the throttle wide open.
Obama and the Congress are ignoring the fact (Google it if you do not believe me) that 72% OF THE ENTIRE NATIONAL POPULATION do not want a government run health care system!
Get my drift?
It is not about your health that they care about, it is about them controlling everything about you from the cradle to the grave.
And that is pure fact, not just an opinion!
Listen, if Obama wants to the federal government to even touch the healthcare system, insurance companies are going to lose money, and they don't want that. They want things to stay the way it is now, because they are having a grand-old time dropping people who are sick, denying people who are ill, and trying to get their way out of every single bill.
They don't want anything to change, which is why they paid out big money to all the senators, especially George W. when he was in office. Obama wanting to set up non-profit healthcare, although it is not universal, is going to make them have to lower their rates. Obama wanting to prevent insurance companies from dropping people who are sick is going to make them lose money.
They want things to stay the way they are, and they will use all the propaganda they can get their hands on in order to stop it.
You're saying this because your a veteran and veterans get taken care of well, and so do their families. My dad's a Navy veteran.
72% of the entire population don't want it to happen because people think Obama is going to get rid of private healthcare all to begin with. He just wants to increase the security of those who have insurance and also those who can't afford their ridiculous rates.
Aspiring entrepreneurs need insurance too so they can pursue their ideas.
They aren't the ones pushing propaganda to avoid changing the system is my point. They are indeed using money to fund key senate campaigns to influence the way the bill comes out. But they aren't running those stupid ads like they did in the 90s. The propaganda campaign is from other sources.
That's just because you can't directly link the commercials to the insurance companies just like we can't link the money from the companies to the politicians.
They aren't going to come out publicly and say that they are funding it.
I do NOT go to VA hospitals! I do NOT get my health care from the VA!
I have always worked and provided health care for my family.
The health insurance that I have I have paid for out of my own pocket!
Retired military – veterans or not – receive health insurance called Tricare, which is deducted from their retired pay. It is NOT free!
Since I am 65+ years old now, I opted for the Medicare parts A and B and that is supplemented by Tricare – All of which I pay for out of my Social Security and my military retirement, of which I gave 20 years of my life for.
If you really want to see what Obamacare will actually be like, go into any VA hospital and tell them that you are doing a paper for your class at college and ask them to assign you an orderly to take you around the place. Look at the mountains of useless paperwork that veterans have to submit each and every time they apply for healthcare. Look at how they are treated by the staff.
Do not misunderstand me, I know that all around this country there are some VA clinics and hospitals that are real good, but they are very few and very far between.
Remember, anytime the government gives you something they have to take it from someone else first. Nothing is ever free.
I know I said that I have not read all 1,100+ pages of the bill.
It actually does make it to a "single payor" type of plan by 2015, and it also makes it a federal crime to NOT buy into the government run health care system. That is not good!
If you want to lower insurance rates, then lower the costs to the doctors – Control the lawyers, reform Tort laws, not health care!
Yeah nothing wrong with that, people should be smart enough to figure it out.
So you're saying there is nothing government run that was ever successful?
They AREN'T funding it. Get over it.
They have no benefits from doing so because the present legislation are more beneficial to their position within their industry.
Yes they are funding that crap. Obama is going to change the present legislation and that's what they don't want.
They are paying the politicians to cause a riot and they are dishing out a lot of money in all directions, including commercials.
People have different situations and opinions man that is all it comes down to.
Obama isn't doing hardly anything they don't want. The public option for example isn't being backed up by the White House.
The most funded politicians are tending to be Blue Dog Democrats. I don't hear them going out and causing a riot. And there are no commercials coming from insurance industries opposing it (in fact, there have been a couple supporting reform generally).
Check your facts.
There are not always facts in every matter because facts are hidden, just like the facts that they are funding these commercials are in fact hidden.
Democrats are trying to get insurance for everyone so 40k people don't have to die from it every year. Republicans are taking money from the insurance companies to fight against it. Anyone who says that privatized healthcare is great is a moron.
You are not getting public health care insurance from the bills circulating in Congress. There is nothing in them which directly threatens private insurers.
And the largest recipients of insurance money are DEMOCRATS, not Republicans. Max Baucus has received 3.6 million for his campaign. He's not exactly going out trying to oppose the bills, his name is on one of them.
These are facts. If you can show proof that the insurance industry is secretly funding anti-reform commercials and rallies spewing propaganda, go right ahead and do so. Otherwise this is unsubstantiated nonsense.
Papadawg, it's actually a good thing, because with a government healthcare system, insurance companies are going to have to lower their rates dramatically because they are being competed against by the government. Also, if government has a non-profit system, then they can take on a lot of the medical bills, which doesn't make your healthcare plan pay for the whole thing. It's a win/win.
You can't do that, because doctors need to be paid. It's not the doctors we are against here. The insurance companies can afford to pay everyone's bill, it's just that they try to find way of getting out of it.
If Obama is trying to set up a hybrid insurance system that offers insurance to those who don't have any, and is trying to offer more protection to those who have it, it's going to affect the insurance companies in a negative way.
Baucus wants to make it required for people to purchase insurance otherwise they will suffer heavy tax fines. This is exactly what the insurance companies want, more business.
Right. But Obama has himself more or less supported the Baucus bill and that hybrid insurance system is probably dead on arrival. The reason is not Republican obstruction or insurance company opposition through Republicans. It's people like Baucus. So whatever it is you think is being accomplished, the insurance companies might be against, but that's not what is actually being accomplished. Not even close.
Ergo, they are not secretly funding some sort of propaganda misinformation campaign that the Republicans have undertaken for cynical political reasons on their own.
How can you really know for certain man?
Because I read the bills and follow the money.
You can't follow lobbying money.
http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?i…
Yes actually you can. There are rules involved in its disclosure.
How do they get that info?
I thought most of the transactions were cash.
Joe, with any system doctors HAVE to buy malpractice insurance – and so do insurance companies – because our civil legal system is what is out of control, not insurance companies or doctors.
Don't believe me? How many commercials have you seen lately that are generated by law firms advocating for lawsuits against everything from soup to nuts? They are all over the tube, and last week when I took my wife out to see a movie they even had one before the movie started!
Think about it. If we had a REAL tort reform law that demanded that judges dismiss any and all frivolous lawsuits (ambulance chaser types, etc.), and limit the amount for redress (how much you could sue for), so the medical profession would not have to buy such expensive insurance against malpractice suits, just how much the cost of health care and health insurance would come down.
We (for now) live in a free market society, and that means EVERYTHING is consumer driven – WE are the consumers – and that means that we consumers have the ability to control the cost of literally everything. All we have to do is get behind or against a product or service and we can either make or break that product or service.
Case in point (as an example only) – Barbie Dolls and the original Star Trek TV series. When it was first introduced, the now famous Barbie Doll was predicted to fail within one year. I remember reading the newspaper article when I was a kid. I had two sisters, one older and one younger, and let me tell you that they bugged my Mom until they both got their own individual Barbie Doll. The rest is history. Star Trek the original TV series was canceled after its third season for no other reason than advertisers were embarrassed to have their ads associated with such a dorky TV show. Yep, that's right! Now, each and every year a convention is held in Las Vegas that draws MILLIONS of fans. It is the Star Trek convention. It is more popular than any other science fiction genre, including Star Wars.
These phenomenons were both CONSUMER GENERATED SUCCESS STORIES. and on the other end, I giive you the Delorian and the Edsel, both Consumer generated mega-flops.
We the consumer are the single most powerful group on this planet.
Get my drift?
I understand, but we shouldn't punish the doctors and the lawyers, who save our lives and protect us. We should punish the ones who are trying to get away without paying the bill.
I definitely agree that so many government run institutions have failed, but I still can’t seem to understand what that has to do with propaganda… propaganda is just someone elses views of how they see a situation or what they deem right, and in that way, right or wrong, you wont be able to get rid of it. Propaganda runs strong in our country as well. It’s known as political parties.
Propaganda, also known as mud-slinging, in my opinion, is wrong, morally, economically and otherwise. our politicians need to stop trying to de-moralize each other and concentrate on their own ideas of how they believe they can do better without attacking the other. So, instead of saying "My oponant is guilty of this or that," they should speak of one anothers' good point in their debates and further it by saying," Buth i have other suggestions on how to handle the situation." All propaganda does is give politions control on how we should hate the opposing candidate. Letr each candidate do that for themselves.