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No. Nor are we safer post-PATRIOT act or post-Iraq and Afghanistan wars, or post pretty much anything. >.<
I agree. We're also billions more in debt which makes us even more unsafe…
Safer from what?
Well, we were . . . Until we elected that arrogant idiot that we now have in the White House!
Everyone MUST understand that those who have surrendered to the Islamic Cult do not hate this country for its foreign policies of the past or present. They hate us, and everyone else, simply because we will not surrender to the Islamic Cult. And for those who say it is a "religion of peace", I say get your head out of the sand and face reality for once in your life. Religions DO NOT demand that you kill anyone else just because they belong to another religion – ISLAM DOES and that makes it a murderous cult!
Once this country gets it together and defines what is a religion and what is not, then and only then will we be safe from the murderous cult of Islam!
You do realize Obama has increased defence spending. He has repeatedly sent more troops overseas in this elusive quest for safety and freedom. The military has killed more "insurgents" during his time in office than Bush ever did. Yeah, he's real hard on terror.
You also realize that Osama bin Laden, the leader of those who hate this country, has stated his goals were political, not religious. Furthermore, many of the recruits- newer ones, especially- joined up, not under the promise of ephemeral benefits from Allah, but because of our actions there: they saw their families being murdered by us, and decided to step up and do something about it, as is their right.
To your last comment I would say- are you seriously suggesting that the government infringe upon the religious freedom in this country? Do you realize what a dangerous, frightening precedent that would set?
Oh, please tell me how the Bush/Cheney era made us safer?? 9/11 happened on their watch, and all they did was take away some of our fundamental rights, then marched us in to two wars… That made me feel so much safer…
And how would you define what religion is? And who has the right to do that? You want the Government to define religion? Seriously?
Well if you want to worship whatever your little heart desires, then you may. But if you state that the only way to salvation is through your little religion, and that all those who do not do it your way must die – well then you are a cult . . . How much clearer can you make that?
A cult is a dangerous thing. A cult usually demands that its followers either kill any "offender" or kill themselves. What part of "All infidels MUST be eliminated" do you not understand?
As for what our currant dictator has done against terrorism, you had better check your facts.
1. He has extended the "Patriot Act" to include returning veterans as they may be ripe for domestic terrorists to recruit, and he has also extended that act indefinitely.
2. He switched all Marines in Iraq without returning them home for R&R to a full tour in Afghanistan. Then he made a big deal about ending combat ops in Iraq – yeah, right.
3. He has CUT military spending, not increased it. He has put the latest carrier design on hold, as well as the latest sub design. The money from what would have been military spending he has moved to his "Obama Youth Program" (my words not his) that he originally stated he wanted during his campaign speeches as "a civilian defense force as big as and as well funded as the military" (his words, not mine). Can you say "Brown Shirts" ?
Before you praise that fool, you need to take a good hard look at what he has DONE, and not what he says . . . Actions do speak louder and longer than words!
It would have happened on your watch if you had been president – it would have happened on anyone's watch, no matter who was president. So get off that lame excuse.
Oh, and did the Islamic Cult try to get a shrine to their victory (aka the mosque "cultural" center) two blocks from ground zero during the Bush/Cheney years?
Military spending did in fact go up. Some defence programs were cut, but overall spending increased. This was not simply redirected into your fantasy fascist program but went into actual defence spending programs or to defence contractors/mercenaries/etc. Moreover, he doesn't get to simply spend money on whatever the hell he wants. Congress does that.
I'm not sure that either of your first two points actually indicate or even somehow disproves that
1) we are "less safe", unless you mean safe from the government's pointless intrusions into civilian lives, which was just as true under Bush as now
2) that he has not been doing vigorous things against terrorism or even Muslims more broadly.
But thanks for playing.
I'd hardly say that Liberty was "praising" these actions, in fact, her argument (followed from other similar debates) is far more likely to indicate that they make us less safe, either from the government (as in the case of intelligence services or the assassination program) or from terrorists (who are more often created out of our policies' effects rather than dispersed and defeated by them).
Yes. That's precisely what happened in Spain in the late 15th century, or the Crusades, or really about 3/4s of Europe's military history with itself post-Roman empire. Up until about the 19th century, most of them are fighting over religion explicitly with the idea that the other fellows are heathens of some sort. Of course, it's usually about politics, not religion after all, but then… what's the difference between that and now that some king-figure manipulates religion for their personal gain?
So tell me again, what's the difference between Christianity and Islam as far as "cult" status? I'm still not seeing one.
The "lame excuse" is that 9-11 happened and so therefore various rights were no longer necessary to be protected by government and instead were free to be violated by government and that the various wars were "to make us safer".
9-11 itself has nothing to do with who was in office but for what policies were pursued after the fact.
Your second question herein does not answer her question and is a non sequitur (not to mention completely inaccurate assessment conflating all of Islam, including moderate Sufi Islam, with a handful of radicals, much like I could attempt conflate all of Christendom with the actions of the IRA or Catholic priests who abused children and so on, or you could conflate the actions of all atheists with those of Mao or Stalin or Lenin. But this would be obviously idiotic where it apparently isn't "idiotic" to do so when it comes to Muslims….).
"Do you really want the government determining what is a religion?" Period. End.
Answer that question before you start spouting off word vomit about cults that has been slapped aside as vitriolic bigotry.
Sun Tzu is correct in what I was trying to point out.
It really isn't a lame excuse. The Clinton Administration went out of their way to brief the incoming Bush Administration on the threat, and the Bush Admin told them they were focusing on something else. They ignored the warnings, we were attacked… those are the facts..
As Sun Tzu poionted out, you never did answer the question.. Do you want the Government determining what is religion.. You might want to acquaint yourself with the Old Testamant of the Christians Bible.. Deuteronomy 3:1-7 and then 1 Chronicles 21:9-14 .. I have more if you need them… The Christian's God tells them to kill people and send plagues to kill people… According to you… Christianity must be a cult…
This is what you said… "Well if you want to worship whatever your little heart desires, then you may. But if you state that the only way to salvation is through your little religion, and that all those who do not do it your way must die – well then you are a cult . . . How much clearer can you make that?"
Again I say… Do you want the Government to determine what is a religion?