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	<title>Comments on: Should an individual be required to join a labor organization?</title>
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		<title>By: Liberty</title>
		<link>http://www.debateitout.com/should-an-individual-be-required-to-join-a-labor-organization.html/comment-page-1#comment-1031</link>
		<dc:creator>Liberty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 22:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree totally. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree totally.</p>
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		<title>By: Liberty</title>
		<link>http://www.debateitout.com/should-an-individual-be-required-to-join-a-labor-organization.html/comment-page-1#comment-1032</link>
		<dc:creator>Liberty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 22:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is just wrong, and stupid.  I mean, seriously!  Why are those people still getting paid?!  (Oh of course.  They belong to unions, so they can&#039;t be fired.) That makes me so mad. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is just wrong, and stupid.  I mean, seriously!  Why are those people still getting paid?!  (Oh of course.  They belong to unions, so they can&#039;t be fired.) That makes me so mad.</p>
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		<title>By: papadawg</title>
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		<dc:creator>papadawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 22:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is my take on this; 
 
During my working life, if I did not like the way my employer was treating me(pay, etc.), then I found another job.  As you can guess, I am anti-union. 
 
If we all had the attitude that if we are not treated fairly by our employers we would leave that place of employment for one that did treat us fairly, then there would be no reason for a union to suck up our hard earned money and drive good employers out of business. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is my take on this; </p>
<p>During my working life, if I did not like the way my employer was treating me(pay, etc.), then I found another job.  As you can guess, I am anti-union. </p>
<p>If we all had the attitude that if we are not treated fairly by our employers we would leave that place of employment for one that did treat us fairly, then there would be no reason for a union to suck up our hard earned money and drive good employers out of business.</p>
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		<title>By: Sun Tzu</title>
		<link>http://www.debateitout.com/should-an-individual-be-required-to-join-a-labor-organization.html/comment-page-1#comment-1023</link>
		<dc:creator>Sun Tzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 20:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who is requiring people to join? The government? Not a good idea. The union? Also not a great idea. The company? A rather dumb company in my opinion...  
 
I have no problem with people collectively bargaining for their rights, wages, or benefits through a union. This has proven in the past a sensible way to attain benefits and wage increases for middle class workers. It is not the only means of doing so, there are lots of employers who will pay better wages than union work would to entice a better quality of production.  
 
I however do not feel this bargaining position entails a monopoly over every worker of a company. If a worker wishes to enter into a private bargaining position instead, presumably one which they feel is to their advantage, then they should be free to do so. There are advantages to a union in the form of external benefits it provides to people who are not members. But these still do not qualify as a guarantor of an individual worker&#039;s rights and demands.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is requiring people to join? The government? Not a good idea. The union? Also not a great idea. The company? A rather dumb company in my opinion&#8230;  </p>
<p>I have no problem with people collectively bargaining for their rights, wages, or benefits through a union. This has proven in the past a sensible way to attain benefits and wage increases for middle class workers. It is not the only means of doing so, there are lots of employers who will pay better wages than union work would to entice a better quality of production.  </p>
<p>I however do not feel this bargaining position entails a monopoly over every worker of a company. If a worker wishes to enter into a private bargaining position instead, presumably one which they feel is to their advantage, then they should be free to do so. There are advantages to a union in the form of external benefits it provides to people who are not members. But these still do not qualify as a guarantor of an individual worker&#039;s rights and demands.</p>
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		<title>By: Sun Tzu</title>
		<link>http://www.debateitout.com/should-an-individual-be-required-to-join-a-labor-organization.html/comment-page-1#comment-1022</link>
		<dc:creator>Sun Tzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 20:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might want to read this: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/08/31/090831fa_fact_brill&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/08/31/090...&lt;/a&gt; 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might want to read this: <a href="http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/08/31/090831fa_fact_brill" target="_blank">http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/08/31/090&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
		<link>http://www.debateitout.com/should-an-individual-be-required-to-join-a-labor-organization.html/comment-page-1#comment-1020</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 18:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, sometimes they deserve to be laid off, but sometimes, it&#039;s just plain out for the money. In New York, things get ugly. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, sometimes they deserve to be laid off, but sometimes, it&#039;s just plain out for the money. In New York, things get ugly.</p>
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		<title>By: Liberty</title>
		<link>http://www.debateitout.com/should-an-individual-be-required-to-join-a-labor-organization.html/comment-page-1#comment-1019</link>
		<dc:creator>Liberty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 17:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But why shouldn&#039;t employees &#039;get the boot&#039;?  What if they&#039;re doing abad job and causing the employer money?  The employer is FULLY within his or her rights to fire that individual, without regard to a higher power.  It&#039;s just that people are so sue-happy nowadays that they can&#039;t- that and the government has gotten so involved in everything.  Unions are not needed nowadays. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But why shouldn&#039;t employees &#039;get the boot&#039;?  What if they&#039;re doing abad job and causing the employer money?  The employer is FULLY within his or her rights to fire that individual, without regard to a higher power.  It&#039;s just that people are so sue-happy nowadays that they can&#039;t- that and the government has gotten so involved in everything.  Unions are not needed nowadays.</p>
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		<title>By: Liberty</title>
		<link>http://www.debateitout.com/should-an-individual-be-required-to-join-a-labor-organization.html/comment-page-1#comment-1013</link>
		<dc:creator>Liberty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 13:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But unions are unfair to the employers.  Let&#039;s not forget the employer in all this.  I have never met an employer who would just fire his employees out of the blue- he can&#039;t if he&#039;s to make money.  There are many, many reasons he fires employees- generally either incompetence or money troubles, and most will make known to their employees WHY.  But unions shut down this relationship between employer and employee, making it full of hazards for both employer and employee. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But unions are unfair to the employers.  Let&#039;s not forget the employer in all this.  I have never met an employer who would just fire his employees out of the blue- he can&#039;t if he&#039;s to make money.  There are many, many reasons he fires employees- generally either incompetence or money troubles, and most will make known to their employees WHY.  But unions shut down this relationship between employer and employee, making it full of hazards for both employer and employee.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 13:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You need to have a Union representative to ensure that you don&#039;t get the boot in the first place. Everyone wins. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You need to have a Union representative to ensure that you don&#039;t get the boot in the first place. Everyone wins.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 13:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yea, but we say that and everyone is all equal and free, then when they get screwed over, they come running to lawyers and drain the corporations out of their revenue, making it harder for the management to keep as many employees. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea, but we say that and everyone is all equal and free, then when they get screwed over, they come running to lawyers and drain the corporations out of their revenue, making it harder for the management to keep as many employees.</p>
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