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How else am I supposed to defend my illegal pot farms? … I mean, it's ummm a constitutional right to bear arms. And bear pelts in general. Yeah, it's deer season!

So you agree?

Why shouldn't they? The thing is that some roads that are traveled lead through national parks. Or what if someone wants to stop at a national park?

It is a Constitutional right to carry guns, and I don't see any clauses in that amendment. Let's have a little trust that people will be responsible instead of assuming they are guilty.

I don't live near any national parks, so why not? Make it illegal.

Where do you live? Because there are many national parks that you may not be aware of, such as Gateway.

Yea, I barely go to national parks.

I guess you need guns when there are poisonous snakes and animals around that can kill you.

It is my firm belief that all law abiding adults should be allowed to carry a loaded concealed firearm anywhere in this country.

I also believe that with great rights come great responsibility. Therefore our public school system should be teaching firearm use and safety to all young people.

And that is just my not-so-humble opinion.

Have a little trust in people, are you insane? With everything going on in our society right now and you want to trust that people with a loaded gun won't do anything illegal with it?

No one will listen. People in general are ignorant and do not listen to what anyone has to say.

I don't think a gun would even be useful for that, more so a knife I would say.

I do. I live near a couple, actually. My grandmother lives near three. My Aunt and Uncle live near two. Whenever we go on a road trip, we pass through or near a national park. There are national parks all over the place.

Just because YOU are so self centered that you can't see beyond your own rear doesn't mean that you have the right to take the rights of the entire nation away.

You know, I don't know that you're not some freaky insane psychopath rapist that wants to kill me. But I trust that you aren't. I'm not going to go telling you where I live, but I still trust you enough to actually hold a conversation with you.

Trust is what makes us able to live with each other. And yes, I do think we can trust people. Most people who own guns never even think of doing anything wrong with them. Statistics bear that out. In fact, many crimes are committed, not with a gun, but with a knife or other weapon!

You are assuming that people are guilty until they are proven innocent- something that is against our very legal code. We cannot assume people will do something wrong with what they have; we have to trust that they have the discernment to realize that if they do something, they will have to pay the consequences.

Oh. I guess we've uncovered your problem then.

JK- you seem like a very discerning person who has good sense. I agree with papadawg. I think you'd be surprised how much people can learn when they're actually interested.

So, perhaps a voluntary firearms safety class for any young (or old) person who wishes to take it?

Look Liberty I can tell you are someone who goes by the book. You are naive, and I once was and probably still am too. Perhaps I have lost my faith in people because I once put too much faith in people.

If everyone had the same beliefs and values as you have shown me as per this conversation, then there would be no problems.

You bring up great statistical points about firearms and crimes, but the fact of the matter is why even put ourselves at risk? A national park is supposed to be a nice enjoyable place that we can retreat to, to enjoy ourselves, and to not have to worry about our home life.

Guns for what? Why even cross that bridge?

Again that would be a good idea if people actually followed through. There needs to be some sort of incentive for it, perhaps a discount for entering the park?

You're right- I probably am an incredible idealist and am very naive. I guess everybody is, to some extent. LOL

I totally agree. I love my trips to our national park. But at the same time, freedoms cannot be compromised. I doubt many people would bring firearms into national parks. There's no point to it, seeing as you can't hunt in a national park, there's very little wildlife that can't be dealt with by a rock throw, and what bigger wildlife there is rarely bothers people.

But at the same time, do we really want to compromise freedoms in an area that may seem small? Hitler didn't start out putting Jews in concentration camps- he started out smaller. Communists didn't start out enslaving entire peoples- they started out much smaller. Everything starts out small, and I for one am not willing to give up liberties merely so people can feel better.

I'm assuming you mean a discount for if you don't have a gun. That's a good idea, but might have some problems being enforced. I mean, someone may carry a handgun in their purse or glovebox, say they don't have a gun in their car, and get in under the discount still.

People will always find a way around everything.

Are you trying to suggest that this small law could snowball into socialism?

Well of course. Anything to save money.

I think it would be better to go the way of an education drive. Teach people about the dangers of guns. It may not ease the situation much, but it will cause people to think. Government gun-safety classes (for a small fee) would also be helpful. Not that's it's hard to get into a gun-safety class in the first place.

The important thing here is to make people learn early.

Not quite. We're already well on our way to socialism, but the infringement of rights is yet another indicator which way we're going. I want to stop it, any way I can.

So we're back to papadawg's suggestion about school firearm safety classes- a good idea, IMO.