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		<title>By: Pachomius2000</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pachomius2000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jul 2010 22:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we have to distinguish between religion and God.

And then between religion in generic terms and religion as an organized however loosely as for example a  movement.

At most I would agree -- but first I am not a US citizen -- that government should not adopt any official religion however loosely organized even just as a movement.

I would even agree that government should discourage any however loosely organized religion as for example as I said a movement.

Next, as regards atheism, insofar as an atheist wants to abolish the concept of God from people&#039;s mind by force, no government should even ascribe to such an idea of such an atheist.

That is a futile and wasteful enterprise on the part of government.


So, my answer is no, government must not impose state atheism.

At most it may discourage established or organized religion however loosely understood even just as a movement.

But then, that would be against the liberty in a modern democratic state of citizens to organize themselves for any purpose, provided it is not dedicated to any violence that is not justifiable on grounds of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we have to distinguish between religion and God.</p>
<p>And then between religion in generic terms and religion as an organized however loosely as for example a  movement.</p>
<p>At most I would agree &#8212; but first I am not a US citizen &#8212; that government should not adopt any official religion however loosely organized even just as a movement.</p>
<p>I would even agree that government should discourage any however loosely organized religion as for example as I said a movement.</p>
<p>Next, as regards atheism, insofar as an atheist wants to abolish the concept of God from people&#8217;s mind by force, no government should even ascribe to such an idea of such an atheist.</p>
<p>That is a futile and wasteful enterprise on the part of government.</p>
<p>So, my answer is no, government must not impose state atheism.</p>
<p>At most it may discourage established or organized religion however loosely understood even just as a movement.</p>
<p>But then, that would be against the liberty in a modern democratic state of citizens to organize themselves for any purpose, provided it is not dedicated to any violence that is not justifiable on grounds of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.</p>
<p>Pachomius2000</p>
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		<title>By: ALYX</title>
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		<dc:creator>ALYX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The government of the U.S. does not have the right to &quot;impose&quot; any value or belief on anyone. 
It is sad but true that, in the current political venue, we have lost sight of that.  In the U.S. no one; 
NO ONE, has the right to impose belief/values.   
 
We may object to specific beliefs, values, morals, and ethics, but we must allow people to believe 
in them.  The more objectionable these values are, the more we must defend the right of people 
to hold them.  The highest example of a real American Ideal would be for a Rabbi to defend the 
right of an Islamic extremist to hold a rally in a Jewish neighborhood.  Or, the NAACP would defend 
the right of the KKK to march in Harlem. 
 
People who want the government, or any other organization, to impose &quot;politically correct&quot; actions, 
language, or behavior on people is just the first that an Adolph Hitler wanna-be would take.  The 
government has no more right to impose atheism on the people is just as objectionable as having 
the government impose Roman Catholicism on the people. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The government of the U.S. does not have the right to &quot;impose&quot; any value or belief on anyone.<br />
It is sad but true that, in the current political venue, we have lost sight of that.  In the U.S. no one;<br />
NO ONE, has the right to impose belief/values.   </p>
<p>We may object to specific beliefs, values, morals, and ethics, but we must allow people to believe<br />
in them.  The more objectionable these values are, the more we must defend the right of people<br />
to hold them.  The highest example of a real American Ideal would be for a Rabbi to defend the<br />
right of an Islamic extremist to hold a rally in a Jewish neighborhood.  Or, the NAACP would defend<br />
the right of the KKK to march in Harlem. </p>
<p>People who want the government, or any other organization, to impose &quot;politically correct&quot; actions,<br />
language, or behavior on people is just the first that an Adolph Hitler wanna-be would take.  The<br />
government has no more right to impose atheism on the people is just as objectionable as having<br />
the government impose Roman Catholicism on the people.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzaku</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzaku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we&#039;re going on Science here, then, &#8220;The cardinal rule in all science is that it must be susceptible to being shown to be wrong.&#8221;-- Paul Hewitt, John Suchoki and Leslie A. Hewitt. Conceptual Physical Science. San Fransisco : Pearson Education Inc., 2008. 
 
Science isn&#039;t likely to prove religion right or wrong. What gives anyone the right to restrict access to it? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we&#39;re going on Science here, then, &ldquo;The cardinal rule in all science is that it must be susceptible to being shown to be wrong.&rdquo;&#8211; Paul Hewitt, John Suchoki and Leslie A. Hewitt. Conceptual Physical Science. San Fransisco : Pearson Education Inc., 2008. </p>
<p>Science isn&#39;t likely to prove religion right or wrong. What gives anyone the right to restrict access to it?</p>
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		<title>By: Pusty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 02:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What? Where do you see any mention of restricting anything? Anywhere?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What? Where do you see any mention of restricting anything? Anywhere?</p>
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		<title>By: misty</title>
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		<dc:creator>misty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and why ppl do we feel wikipedia is a good source of anything? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and why ppl do we feel wikipedia is a good source of anything?</p>
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		<title>By: Pusty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it should as evolution is just as much a religion as any other. It takes more faith to believe we were descended from soup than a supreme being. 

So why should evolution be taught if it holds so many flaws that science can&#039;t explain. I&#039;ll give you an example, every year the moon slowly moves away from the earth, if big bang is true the moon would&#039;ve been inside the earth billions of years ago. (This creates obvious problems)

Evolution has too many holes to be intelligently suggested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it should as evolution is just as much a religion as any other. It takes more faith to believe we were descended from soup than a supreme being. </p>
<p>So why should evolution be taught if it holds so many flaws that science can&#8217;t explain. I&#8217;ll give you an example, every year the moon slowly moves away from the earth, if big bang is true the moon would&#8217;ve been inside the earth billions of years ago. (This creates obvious problems)</p>
<p>Evolution has too many holes to be intelligently suggested.</p>
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		<title>By: Heart Beat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heart Beat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe you should provide your references for definitions, as I think I didn&#039;t confuse atheism with nihilism/postmodernism according to wikipedia. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe you should provide your references for definitions, as I think I didn&#039;t confuse atheism with nihilism/postmodernism according to wikipedia.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Clunn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Clunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe you&#039;re confusing atheism and nihilism / postmodernism.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe you&#8217;re confusing atheism and nihilism / postmodernism.</p>
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		<title>By: Heart Beat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heart Beat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually the state cannot be without religion. And the whole debate is just a fake. 
 
Atheism is a religion, because it is about believing things cannot be proved by science, especially the believe of the absence of God, the other life and the judgment day. 
 
And it is very important to decide about the existence of God if you want to do anything serious. 
 
For example, if we have a judgment day, then our laws should consider following special practices to guide us to the happiness in the other life, not this one only. 
 
But the problem is, the Christianity religion lost its historical evidences. And sadly, it is no any more a religion of science. For that, as I believe, Islam is the only remaining solution to this problem. Because, Islam can be scientifically proved, and it can solve the problem of having a religious government and yet a scientific one. 
 
But if I was forced to choose between atheist government or a Christian one, I believe I will choose the Christian one. Because, Christianity is much more promising for the the balance of happiness between the two major ideas of this world &quot;There is a God, and There is no God&quot; as far as this Christian government does not enforce its religion on people. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually the state cannot be without religion. And the whole debate is just a fake. </p>
<p>Atheism is a religion, because it is about believing things cannot be proved by science, especially the believe of the absence of God, the other life and the judgment day. </p>
<p>And it is very important to decide about the existence of God if you want to do anything serious. </p>
<p>For example, if we have a judgment day, then our laws should consider following special practices to guide us to the happiness in the other life, not this one only. </p>
<p>But the problem is, the Christianity religion lost its historical evidences. And sadly, it is no any more a religion of science. For that, as I believe, Islam is the only remaining solution to this problem. Because, Islam can be scientifically proved, and it can solve the problem of having a religious government and yet a scientific one. </p>
<p>But if I was forced to choose between atheist government or a Christian one, I believe I will choose the Christian one. Because, Christianity is much more promising for the the balance of happiness between the two major ideas of this world &quot;There is a God, and There is no God&quot; as far as this Christian government does not enforce its religion on people.</p>
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		<title>By: Liberty </title>
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		<dc:creator>Liberty </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems we are all (or most of us are) in agreement here. 
 
If &#039;state athiesm&#039; means that government employees must ascribe to athiesm- uh, no.  There isn&#039;t supposed to be a religious test for determining whether or no someone can serve, and even if the test would determine that one does not ascribe to a religion, it&#039;s still wrong. 
 
As others have said before- the first amendment guarantees freedom of religion to all, and I don&#039;t see any stipulation that says that government employees don&#039;t have that right. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems we are all (or most of us are) in agreement here. </p>
<p>If &#039;state athiesm&#039; means that government employees must ascribe to athiesm- uh, no.  There isn&#039;t supposed to be a religious test for determining whether or no someone can serve, and even if the test would determine that one does not ascribe to a religion, it&#039;s still wrong. </p>
<p>As others have said before- the first amendment guarantees freedom of religion to all, and I don&#039;t see any stipulation that says that government employees don&#039;t have that right.</p>
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