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No way, I would never want something like that.
Absolutely not. Colleges across the country are not just seats of learning. For many kids it's the first time away form their parents, and it usually leads to a few months of experimentation with alcohol and drugs. I understand that in sober society in general the idea that someone could be carrying a concealed firearm is a deterrent to crime. But in the application of college, where many students spend part/all of their time in an altered state of mind it will absolutely lead to injuries.
Drunken frat boys firing guns out the back doors of frat houses, arguments degenerating into fire fights, bad acid trips leading to firightend shot being fired through dorm room walls. Any responsible gun owner will tell you that firearms and alcohol do not mix. That goes double for drug use.
Why is it so easy to shoot up a college campus? because you can be sure nobody else will have a gun. Just a thought. That's why I pack heat.
I think you hit the nail on the head there.
I don't understand what you mean.
If you rob a bank you can bet that there's a cop with a gun there, and if you try and rob somebody on the street, then you're taking a risk because they could be armed. Go to a "no carry zone" and the only difference now between the law abiding citizens there is that now you can be sure that they aren't armed. No carry zones do nothing but make citizens fish in a barrel.
Agreed, but guns on a college campus will only increase violence there rather than decrease it.
Will it? Why would that be? I've read your response above and it could apply to all adults. The University of Utah has allowed students to carry guns around on campus since 2004. No shooting so far. How many shootings have there been on no guns allowed campuses since then? As it turns out, people who want to go on shooting rampages don't care about gun bans, only law abiding citizens do.
Look, I don't really see the big deal of carrying a firearm on campus, or any weapon for that matter. Nowadays, you cannot be too safe in protecting your life. If one kid sneaks one in, which happens in most of these situations, then you have nothing to defend yourself with.
First thought I had was that University of Utah was a predominantly Mormon school, but I don't honestly think that's true. I think its great that there has never been a shooting at U of U. But as an opposite example. Virginia Tech, where one of the previous school shootings occurred is home to one of the nations oldest military schools. There are quite a few weapons on campus there. So having weapons on campus doesn't necessarily mean no shootings. But I do see your point in it possibly being a deterrent.
I guess when you put it that way, I can see the point. How about college security though?
LT
VT is NOT a military school!
Okay, folks, here is my two-cents worth;
It has been my long held belief that if every adult (since most states consider adult age to be 18 years so that would include college age students) were to be taught the safe handling and proper use of firearms while in high school, and as long as that individual remained unconvicted of a felony, that individual should be given the right to carry a concealed weapon anywhere in this country.
It has been my experience that those who have had a proper education in the handling and proper use of firearms during their youth are less likely to use one inappropriately. However, having said that, the reader MUST understand that there is no guarantee of anything when dealing with the human condition.
Just my not-so-humble opinion. B)
Well of course college security should have guns. But like in all situations, it takes time for the cops to get there. If your house is being robbed you can call the cops, but they won't get there in time to save you if the robber has a gun and you don't. You have apply for a conceal and carry permit. And there's an evaluation and often a waiting period to buy firearms, and then there's areas I can't carry that gun, presumably for my own safety. Someone who doesn't care about the law finds a gun for sale on the streets (not too hard to find really) and will use it anywhere anyways. Now who are those laws really protecting? Sounds like they're there to protect criminals to me.
Yes it is pdawg. It is one of six senior military schools outside of the three government academies. There is a Corps of Cadets there armed with weapons, they live a military lifestyle, wear uniforms, respect a chain of command, and train over weekend. They have a three month long "basic training" art the start of each year for the freshman cadets, which they must complete alongside their academic duties.
The senior military schools are: VT, Texas A&M, North Georgia College, The Citadel, VMI, and Norwich University.
First of all, it is impossible to enforce anti-concealed carrying weapon laws, because the weapon is obviously concealed.
Second, it was these pro-gun control policies which caused the school shootings such as Virginia Tech. If the professors were allowed to carry weapons, would there be any shootings? Absolutely not.
Funny, although I was not a cadet at A&M I never saw ANY cadet carying a fire arm on them other than in drills. So military or not the students are unarmed. Wheather it is a military school or not does not make an argument for not having permit holders allowed to cary guns on campus. One thing most people are missing is that the majority of people that would be carrying would be graduate students simply due to age restrictions and cost. Also the majority of CHL holders are in teh higher income brackets which usually equates to educated, experienced and better judgement.
the point that you are missing is the fact that in order to have a carry permit you cannot have any felonies/misdemeanors/ or a tainted record of any kind.
I am pro carring guns.
I completey agree with you those immature college students that are breaking the laws by using weed or other narcotics (being drunk in public is also illegal) should not be allowed to carry.
that is the very system we have now. If you are not an outstanding citizen (including the very students you just mentioned) you can't have a CC permit.
you are talking about about ROTC. Almost every major university has a has ROTC program. Learn your facts or don't talk. Please your killing me. And they train mostly with paintball guns and they do not carry weapons on campus.
and I know this because i was in the ROTC program
VT and the other 5 have something beyond ROTC running on their campuses. It's very similar, but I've never heard of VMI or the Citadel referred to as anything other than military cadet programs. Which is what VT and TXAM have on campus as well, though in reduced form since their inception.
Security isn't there to protect you in the event of lawlessness. That's your job. The purpose of security, and by extension police, is partially to deter lawlessness by creating a force to detain wrongdoers and sort out criminal behavior for appropriate penalties.
Technically it doesn't even need guns either to do this anymore than you require a gun for self-defence. Except that much criminal behavior pertains to armed criminals and being armed becomes an unfortunate necessity in an atmosphere of barbarism.