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Strict border patrol. Also, state-of-the-art technology can make it possible for anyone to detect anything.
Agree with you there, we have the technology certainly!
I agree. Strict border patrol.
Aside from that, the federal government needs to enforce the immigration laws that are already on the books.
Furthermore, they need to stop talking about amnesty.
They are. More so than they were the last decade anyway. Deportations for non-criminal offenses and criminal offenses are up over the last two years.
Tank the economy.
Pretty much the best way to get people who want to come here to want to go somewhere else.
In a more serious level, make it easier for people who want to come here to get here legally. Much easier. It's a tremendous pain the ass for potential immigrants who we might "want" (highly educated skilled labourers for example).
A compromise position with some promise to it would be to auction off the visas for workers and students to buyers (generally companies/universities), and establish reasonable caps on these visas such that these visas are not terribly expensive, but also high enough so that immigrants do not overwhelm existing populations so rapidly such that people begin to freak out and make outrageous claims regarding the behavior of their new neighbours. Yes, I'm looking at you, the people of Arizona.
This would greatly streamline the process of getting people into the country who are needed or wanted rather than having to justify each decision to some nameless bureaucrat somewhere but it would still leave in place national security or trade architecture of the status quo to some degree. I'm not overwhelmingly happy with the idea (I don't see a need to secure the border at all, certainly none of the claims that are being made to that effect seem to have much convincing evidence behind them), but I'd rather do something effective economically and still reduce government interference over a needless system. If it can be sold as though it will mollify the cranks out there who might think that these strawberry pickers and roofers who are supposedly causing serious problems would disappear, so be it I guess.
Making the legal immigration process less costly and more immigrant-friendly would help. If there's no incentive to come in legally (they can come in easier, faster, and cheaper illegally) then they won't bother to go through the legal hoops to come in legally.
Are you kidding?
The sooner all of you fools learn that it ain't about "immigrants" the better you will understand the real problem!
Oh, so sorry, you don't know what the real problem is?
Can you say illegal drug trafficking?
Oh, you don't think so?
Then answer this one little question – If poor little Jose can't make two peso's to rub together south of the border, just how is he going to pay Wiley E. Coyote the $2,000.00 to $5,000.00 American Dollars to smuggle him across the border?
Haulin' drugs for Poncho's drug cartel, that's how!
And some of you fools think that making MJ legal will make it all better . . . . . Yeah, right!
…And our war against Marijuana has stopped the problem entirely, right?
If it's about illegal drug trafficking, then I'd have to agree that's a real issue (although I'd be one of those "fools" thinking that legalisation would have some significant ameliorative effect on the crime issue…mostly because it has everywhere else it's been tried. See USA, 1933 alcohol ban repealed. Netherlands. Portugal. Switzerland…..).
But unfortunately it's not one that is solved by proclaiming that the only people who must be selling or distributing such substances are probably Mexican looking. The natural and immediate solution by drug gangs to such an approach of "enforcement" would be to employ people who aren't Mexican looking to avoid police sweeps and you'd still have drug smuggling and the violence that a black market for drugs involves and to some extent, attracts. So that's an idiotic way to resolve the problem either way for immigration or for the supposed need to police narcotics trafficking and consumption.
By the way, the actual answer for how he pays for getting across the border isn't drug smuggling. It's indentured servitude (ie, economic slavery). There aren't that many drug smugglers relative to the amount of domestic production (particularly of marijuana).
Also, the vast majority of immigrants, including illegal immigrants, STAY here to be with families or to work (or, given the popular assumptions of many on this point, they somehow siphon off billions in public welfare dollars).
I'm pretty sure that most people have a much larger problem with this feature of immigration as an economic and cultural, as well as civil rights, issue than are considering the "immigration" problem to be one of "drugs". The reason is that the two are hardly related at all.
As usual, you speak with no real knowledge of the facts. With all of your writing above, you still haven't answered my question of just where does Jose get the money to pay the Coyote to get him across the border? That amount varies greatly depending on whom you talk to, and it is usually somewhere between two thousand and five thousand American dollars. Think about it for a minute or two and you just might decide that it makes some sense.
We here in Arizona see the results each and every day of this invasion of trafficking of not only drugs but the humans who carry the drugs across the border. We have had house after house full of those who have been dumped after they have delivered the drugs with nowhere else to go. We have found the bodies of those who have not delivered the "goods" left out in the desert for the "Gringo's" to dispose of. Law enforcement in the border counties have been screaming for years for federal assistance to no avail because the politicians want new and ignorant voters to keep them in office.
People have been kidnapped, murdered and raped by these drug runners thinking that they will get money to return to their places of origin. Those of you who do not live here and get only what the very biased mainstream news media spoon feed you do not see what really is happening, do not understand what the real problem actually is. All you do is read the so-called statistics and believe that this country is where all those in south America want to be, and you are so wrong.
You just keep believing it is all about being prejudiced against people of a different skin color . . . . . . Then ask yourself why is it that the very corrupt President of Mexico is telling his people to invade the United States (in other words to come here illegally) and find jobs and send the money back to Mexico?
Just keep drinking the kool-aide, and keep believing that everything is all what your local propagandist is telling you it is.
I don't watch or consume mainstream news media, nor your alternate reality world view media that you subscribe to. I instead get to know immigrants (legal or otherwise), I've known people who deal drugs, particularly marijuana, and studied the economics of drug dealing and smuggling. I know how people smuggling works under the same prospects. The way I understand these things has no relation to the things you are describing.
The actual criminal data available and reported by your own state does not support your conclusions. For example, the kidnapping, murder/rape rates have all declined statewide, including during your supposed scourge of deadly and annoying immigrants. That's the problem. I looked at the facts on the ground (your own ground, not the ground where I am) and decided you were talking out of your ass. You still haven't given me a factual data point on any topic yet that demands a response or an investigation. I've long since become prepared to accept that this will never happen.
Just keep hyperventilating. I did not see where I claimed for instance that your bigotry existed. I claimed that you were misinformed and therefore cranky. Try reading what I write and you will find that while I have a very low opinion of you and your misbegotten opinions, I will tend not to insult you the way you have repeatedly others by presuming motivations that you have not already openly declared for example.
I don't watch or consume mainstream news media, nor your alternate reality world view media that you subscribe to. I instead get to know immigrants (legal or otherwise), I've known people who deal drugs, particularly marijuana, and studied the economics of drug dealing and smuggling. I know how people smuggling works under the same prospects. The way I understand these things has no relation to the things you are describing. That is to say, you have no idea what you are talking about.
The actual criminal data available and reported by your own state does not support your conclusions. For example, the kidnapping, murder/rape rates have all declined statewide, including during your supposed scourge of deadly and annoying immigrants. That's the problem. I looked at the facts on the ground (your own ground, not the ground where I am) and decided you were talking out of your ass. You still haven't given me a factual data point on any topic yet that demands a response or an investigation. I've long since become prepared to accept that this will never happen.
Just keep hyperventilating. I did not see where I claimed for instance that your bigotry existed. I claimed that you were misinformed and therefore cranky. Try reading what I write and you will find that while I have a very low opinion of you and your misbegotten opinions, I will tend not to insult you the way you have repeatedly others by presuming motivations that you have not already openly declared for example.
I don't watch or consume mainstream news media, nor your alternate reality world view media that you subscribe to. I instead get to know immigrants (legal or otherwise), I've known people who deal drugs, particularly marijuana, and studied the economics of drug dealing and smuggling. I know how people smuggling works under the same prospects. The way I understand these things has no relation to the things you are describing. That is to say, you have no idea what you are talking about.
The actual criminal data available and reported by your own state does not support your conclusions. For example, the kidnapping, murder/rape rates have all declined statewide, including during your supposed scourge of deadly and annoying immigrants. Who are apparently all violent drug smugglers in search of conquering the SW US. That's the problem. I looked at the facts on the ground (your own ground, not the ground where I am) and decided you were talking out of your ass. You still haven't given me a factual data point on any topic yet that demands a response or an investigation. I've long since become prepared to accept that this will never happen. Go talk to an immigrant and his family. Learn Spanish if you have to. Don't simply accept what you are being spoon fed.
Just keep hyperventilating. I did not see where I claimed for instance that your bigotry existed. I claimed that you were misinformed and therefore cranky. Try reading what I write and you will find that while I have a very low opinion of you and your misbegotten opinions, I will tend not to insult you the way you have repeatedly others by presuming motivations that you have not already openly declared for example.
I invite you to get off your lazy butt and actually come down here to Arizona and see for yourself with your own eyes as I do each and every day.
If you do not want to come here, then perhaps southern Texas which has the same problems. Or New Mexico or California – but those two states welcome the drug smugglers with open arms (they actually believe it is a source of revenue).
Call me all the names you want to, it still does not change any of the facts. Where you get your misinformation from is of no concern to me. I get my information with my own eyes as I see what is happening each and every day.
Unless you experience what is actually happening here, you will never know the facts.
im just curious devildog, Im not commenting to say who is wrong or right. But what exactly are you experiencing, not the state but you..
Drug lords sending their men across the border… Poverty and desperation under corrupt police back in Mexico… Only one man can save us!
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If you want to know what is really happening, then come down here and see for yourself.
Anything I tell you would be just hearsay, and I am tired of people running off at the mouth about how we all should believe what they say regardless of what is actually happening – I refuse to be one of those.
I have been to Arizona. My boss' vacation home is down there. I've used it. I wandered around some. I have friends in Texas and California that I talk to, sometimes about this very issue (the Californians are Asian of course if that somehow colors their opinions…but they are legally here and born here).
Perhaps you should stop assuming that I don't know what I'm talking about and try listening.
His question is valid. What is it that you yourself have witnessed and experienced on this issue.
It seems pretty clear you have a strong viewpoint. I'd like to know why too.
Where I get my "misinformation" from was apparently of great significance not two statements ago when you divined its source from your imagination.
You have a very convenient manner of ignoring your own statements, much less those of others.
Where I get my "misinformation" from was apparently of great significance not two statements ago when you divined its source from your imagination and assumed its accuracy on that merit alone.
You have a very convenient manner of ignoring your own statements, much less those of others.