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Ban it. It's causing nothing but trouble for us.
No policy whatsoever – America cannot make a law attacking a specific religion…
What other religions would you have us ban then? Pentecostals? Evangelicals? Mormons? Buddhists? What of atheists or agnostics? Or Thor or Zeus fans?
Why are people's personal religious beliefs up to your consideration to allow in the first place?
When they become murderous cults, like Islam is now and the Roman Catholics used to be until the world arose and put then in their place.
Islam cannot be considered any kind of a religion in its present state – which is a cult that advocates the wholesale killing of anyone who will not join them and the fact that it considers all women to be nothing but slaves of men.
Therefore the policy of the U.S. should be to ban any and all followers of Islam from within our boarders.
Anything less would amount to nothing but national suicide.
Then you tell me why is our government attacking Christianity at every turn in the nations courts?
That would still be unconstitutional, and I believe your comments against Islam are inaccurate. The same arguments can be made about Christianity or Judaism…
Not sure what you mean…
You've still not established that
a) All Muslims are part of murderous cults
b) there's any distinction between "cults" and any of the major religions
So if you want to ban people following Islamic thought and beliefs because that's a "cult" which can encourage and incite people to kill others, you are going to have to contend with banning Christianity or having any sort of spiritual belief structure whatsoever. Good luck with that.
At least you're willing to admit to a bias against the RCC now and not just Muslims. I think that a healthy development. Maybe if you keep following that chain of logic, you'll understand it's not unique to those two for human beings to do heinous and insane things.
In what way?
Overturning laws which support a particular religion is also something the courts kind of have an ability to do, Constitutionally speaking.
Neither you nor STS has a grip on the factual reality of what is actually happening throughout this world as far as the cult of Islam is concerned. Neither of you have understood nor comprehended anything that I have stated.
I actually feel sorry for you both, because both of you are doing nothing but parroting what the advocates of the Islamic cult has been saying for centuries. I am one who believes that actions speak louder than words and the actions of Islam speak for them very loudly and if anyone cannot see what they are doing, then you have fallen into the trap that has been set for you.
Since you like to read, I suggest a book, if you can find it; "Satanic Verses" . . . You know who the author is.
I've read it.
I've also read the Qur'an and the Bible. I don't see what the difference is.
There's stuff in any dusty old sacred book that looks ugly up close. And there are fanatics to any such religious cult that do despicable things to other human beings as a supposed result of their faith. You've even acknowledged this (finally) by including the RCC as a former "cult" in your mind. Why you don't understand that these distinctions apply more broadly, to more religions and their adherents, that all of them are slightly insane or contain insane interpretations or, alternatively, that most people who adhere to those faiths, including Muslims, are not insane and selectively ignore more hostile and irrelevant passages in order to practice their faiths peacefully. There are well over a billion Muslims on the planet, just as there are almost 2 billion Christians. I know plenty of people I regard as insane who are of the latter variety and yet the world itself does not spin off its axis in violent reprisals. It would be fair to say that your depiction of Muslims as a bloodthirsty cult would imply the same situation should be the case for the Islamic world, that we are dealing with over a billion madmen. We aren't. That's the real world. Wake up old man and smell your own bigotry and intolerance for what it is (on this and several other subjects).
As for actions
So what exactly do these actions, throughout history, imply
A man walks into a church and kills a doctor.
A man sets off complex explosives at universities around the country, killing academics.
A pair of young boys kill dozens of their classmates.
A long-standing series of terrorist incidents occur in Belfast and the UK for decades, or in Sri Lanka or the West Bank, Cyprus, Vietnam, the American occupied South, the Philippines, various portions of Central America, Iraq, Afghanistan…..
A man in the 15th century exiles hundreds of thousands of his own citizens, impoverishing his nation in the process, and orders the torture and execution of thousands more because they hold to a different faith than he does.
A "sainted" man declares war to reclaim a "Holy Land" and in the process, thousands of innocent civilians are slain. They are not the horrid "infidels" who captured the Holy Land in the first place.
I think this means that some people are crazy and do horrible things. And some of them will try to use religion to justify it. It is fair to oppose them when they try to. It is not fair to apply their actions broadly to those of others who hold a similar set of beliefs but not actions. To do so is to condemn all Catholics for the actions of their priests, or all Baptists for the shooting of an abortion providing doctor, and so on. It's ridiculous on its face. The only reason it persists is that you have no idea what Islam is in the first place.
So, I suppose it's no surprise that I agree with SunTzu on this one.
Once we start legislating against certain religions, it's only a matter of time before other religions also get banned or some such.
"He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself. "
I love that quote.
“Then you tell me why is our government attacking Christianity at every turn in the nations courts?”
Because here in the US, the version of the “taliban” is a Christian one, not a Muslim one.
The US already has a policy on Islam (or Christianity, or any other policy for that matter), see; Treaty of Tripoli – 1796.
“As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”
No successful religion promotes violence and the destruction of the masses. Given the age of Islam (older than Jesus) and the number of active practitioners worldwide (1.6B 2009); one would have to rationalize it is a success. Religion promotes peace (amongst other things) but overall peace. Islam=peace, Buddhism=peace, Christianity=peace. The list goes on. The sacred texts of these various religions serve as guide book. The worshipers seek grow closer to their god through rituals and practices by interpreting the original meaning of the texts. The followers of SOME religions on the other hand, scapegoat their religion in order to kill masses. The Crusades, 9-11, Jewish-roman war you can find just about any religion and you will find murder and death."God wanted me to" does SOUND like a compelling argument. Unless you don’t worship a God and then it is simply ceasing the life of another individual(s) out of personal want. The one thing they all have in common and the cause of their problems is the people.
Those who can deem for themselves and influence others about what is a cult and what should be banned. Those people who don’t understand or those who are intolerant and unwilling to tolerate. In a country founded for Freedom of religion like the United States of America was to even propose the regulation of a religion is “Un- American” and “Unpatriotic”. Like it or not Americans stand for freedom even it hurts, Even if they don’t agree. Thank you for reading
america has already banned the K.K.K which like islam claims to be a religion.
Islam is even more dangerous than K.K.K