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It's becoming rare and these countries are all experimenting with capitalism anyway.
Unfortunately, yes.
Because Forrest Gumps Mother was exactly right when she said; "You just can't fix stupid!"
Just my not-so-humble opinion. B)
Yes. Why? Because we all use communism. Think about it. The family. A perfect communistic system- everyone (should) put in, everyone puts out, everyone survives and, optimally, flourishes. Sometimes, in the more modern family "model" of everything-flies-and-we-don't-really-give-a-silver-nickel, this system can't be seen so much, but the family is, most often, still a perfect communistic system.
You are either drunk, on drugs, or just plain stupid!
I vote for all three.
And you have the audacity to call yourself "Liberty" . . . o.0
Defined broadly, communism is a social order which can be used by a community, a church and its members, and so on to divest individual needs and wants. Sometimes its possible to make this work where other incentives can be made to intercede over narrow and immediate self-interest, but in practice, narrow and immediate self-interests are often more efficient and obvious methods of organizing even relatively small groups. In its narrow more political-economy sense, there are few countries that employ it, and even fewer attempting to move toward it.
At some point, the barriers for Cuba will come down and it will move forward (or at least in some direction), and I'm not even sure I would define the DPRK's system as "communism" but more like some version of Maoism or Stalinism, which may be related, but have some rather hostile and militant characteristics imported from nationalism that are unnecessary to its political economy. The tyranny may be. It's possible that tyranny and rigid social organisation demanded by a communistic system only work in a sustained fashion by crafting external threats, but this doesn't seem to be a problem limited to communist countries (see the US over the last 20 years post Cold War).
The major problem with removing such systems of governance and political economy isn't the prospect of communism per se but the lack of clear and enforceable property rights in most other countries that make it easier for state actors to seize and corrupt positive sum contracts between private parties (ie, normal business arrangements). This is not always the "state". I see "the state" in DPRK as an individual in Kim Jong Il seizing things for himself to enrich his political supporters rather than as serving some rational ends for the state itself, which is the main reason I have a hard time calling this communistic because it is very much like things that have happened here for decades. Abusing the mechanisms of the state may be a natural result of apportioning powers to it to devise a communist system, but it's hardly limited to such a system for powerful actors within a state to abuse their powers.
I now understand why some of your comments have been censored in the past. They are impertinent personal attacks often using ad hominem rather than substantive commentaries.
Wow, three whole paragraphs to say absolutely nothing.
Lenin first took Marx Manifesto and raped an entire nation with it, then upon his death Stalin increased the death grip to almost biblical proportions. Stalin's reign was saved by none other than FDR and Adolph Hitler. FDR by working the U.S. into the war and shipping billions of dollars in military equipment to the USSR, and Hitler by being his bungling self trying to micro manage the war by himself.
I, for one, cannot understand why anyone who would read Marx Communist Manifesto could actually think his insane ideas would work in any society. That is precisely why Chavez, Mao, Castro, Kim, and Lenin were able to turn it into dictatorships so easily and swiftly. There will always be stupid people who will believe the lies charismatic figureheads tell them, therefore this scourge will always be around.
Hitlers NAZI (National Socialist) Party first used the writings of Marx in their infancy as a political party. It was Hitler and selected other members of the Party that began changing it to what it eventually turned out to be – the instrument of the almost total destruction of half this planets civilized nations.
No amount of philosophizing will ever make Communism a legitimate or decent way of life.
Alrighty. Now would you care to refute my arguments if you have a problem with them rather than simply attack my person?
As long as ants and bees thrive so will communism. As long as people refuse to be drones like ants or bees, communism will fail. The future and success or failure of communism is inextricably tied to the nature of human existence and whether we exist as individuals or as a collective.
Odd that they use this then "Comments are moderated so be sure that your responses are expressed in a respectable and friendly way. We are here to express our thoughts toward controversial issues, not to scold or defame anyone." to let a comment which is intended as a deliberate personal attack on one's character rather than the actual line of argumentation, whatever that was, through.
I'm not really sure I buy that the family unit is communist in nature. It is a dictatorship in many ways, but as those in power are also those who contribute the most resources (the parents), the structure of kinship in group orientation in family units is built around relational ties, and leadership is built around leader charisma more than ideological purity, the traditional family model appears much more fascist than communist to me.
Truth be told, it has always appeared to me that the only way the communist countries have retained control and stability is by utilizing fascist tactics. Also, to be clear, I think that fascism is actually a wonderful model for building a family unit, and actually have some fascist sympathies myself (though that's a bit off topic, and please don't construe this for me agreeing with mass genocide or anything of that sort.)
I did but debate it out has censored me in favor of your pro-communist garbage.
…..I wasn't being pro-Communist. I disagree with Communism as a system put over a country. My point was however that yes, communism in its purest form will always be with us, as the family is a communist system, really. The theory has solid backing…in small doses. When you try to go big and grandiose with it, it doesn't work so well, but it does have its place.
Indeed, indeed. I see that. It is strange to me that, though fascists and communists seem to hate each other, they really have much more in common than they care to think…
Karl Marx said Communism would come after Capitalism imploded. From where i am sitting, what with the financial meltdown and the huge and growing inequality in capitalist systms, he may be proved right yet.
Communism, as both I and Sun Tzu pointed out, is implemented also at a more mundane level. The community is a communistic system in its purest form. A church can be as well, when properly maintained and run. This is because communism, when you get down to the root theory, is merely everybody working together for the good of everybody. Marx merely took this theory and blew it up to an unmanageable level: that of a nation.
there's no such thing as authentic communism. the term exists in theory, but in practice it does not. Even what they have in Cuba is not considered communism, it's actually extreme socialism.
Go read the book "Animal Farm". It is kind of strange, but portrays communism very well. Plus, it's nice and short.
communism will never die, it will aways live in the minds and hearts of great people all around the world , im saying that while knowing that communism will never rise again because it represents utopia where all human beings are equal and its against the human (animal) nature to accept such thing.
The family will only exist as a communist system as long as people assume that they don't value those in their own families. If you have any sense of 'value' for the people you love, you'll realize that there is no less capitalist a system in your home than anywhere. If I did not get value from helping my children, I would have no children. If there ever came a day when my parents did not bring me value, I would denounce my birth. I have no more 'duty' to my genetic contributors than I do to a common leper or welfare leech. What makes me 'do' for my family is a common bond and understanding of 'values', and yes, I would do for them freely and give for them my life. Why? Because they are worthy of it and they have earned it.
I think everyone who has opined on this site has legitimate valid points of view. However communism can never exist in it’s true form because it goes against our nature and everything we stand for. I know it is supposed to be about the collective and theoretically it is a good idea, but it completely negates personal growth, freedom of choice and self worth. Think about it. Would you want to spend every day of your life working long hours in a steel mill, while others are doing next to no manual labor whatsoever and they are making the exact same amount of money as you are? Where is the accomplishment? Yes the collective is important, but guess what? People want to see PROGRESS! They want GRATIFICATION. They want to know that they aren’t going to die and never have made a difference! Communism simply does NOT work.
This is not any personal attack but… I only think if you have lived or raised under communistic person or country you have the "right" to comment on something like this. If not I am not sure you can fathom the thought of commenting.